Winchester 1895

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  1. paulruger

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    I recently traded for a Winchester 1895 in 7.62 x 54r. It doesn't have a full length stock so I'm wondering if Winchester made any commercial models in that caliber? Any help is appreciated.
     
  2. greg_r

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    Picts or it didn't happen!

    1895 Carbine in 30 US Army IMG_20180809_184349.jpg
     
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  3. rugertoter

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    I read somewhere that Winchester did make that model in the Russian round, for sales to the Tzar's army, but I can't remember where I read it.
     
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    You sir, are a steely-eyed missile man! That Krag is awesome! ;)
     
  5. greg_r

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    I would love to have one in 7.62x54R
     
  6. paulruger

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    Blow the pics or it didn't happen out of your rectum! I don't have to prove a thing to you!
     
  7. 0311

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    Winchester sold the rifles that were not accepted by the Russian government on the commercial market right after WWI. A good number of them were also brought back into the US after being reconditioned in Spain. When they came back into the US they were very cheap and I have seen some of them "sporterized". I don't think Winchester ever made a different model than the musket in 7.62x54R.

    Gonna have a more difficult time finding a Krag in 7.62x54R.
     
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  9. greg_r

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    The worst shooting rifle I have. It has an oversize bore, slugs. 311. Never done a chamber cast, but I suspect it has an over sized leade as well. I have found no jacketed bullets that shoot well in it. The Hornady .312 174 grain round nose being the best with minute of paper plate groups at 100 yards.

    The Lee C312-185-1R pushed to 1600 fps with 5744 powder does ok with groups between 3 and 4 inches at 100 yards. Most of my brass is formed from 303 British, which leaves a short neck, but it works.

    I dont know much about the 1895 except I think they were originally rifles that were cut down.
     
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  10. Armybrat60

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    Always thought this was a Winchester model 95. 30 US/30-40 Krag. Interesting.
    *Never mind...I just figured out that the Carbine pictured is something else that’s in 30US.
    Any who this is my 95.
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  11. greg_r

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    I just posted it because it has 1895 Springfield US Armory stamped on it. Thought it was interesting and matched the date of the Winchester. Maybe even served at the same time as it. Also interesting because to my knowledge there was no 1895 Krag. I always thought it was fake.Still do.

    Probably shouldn't of posted.
     
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  12. rugertoter

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    I see .30/40 Krag ammo around my area, on the shelves, and you can't shoot any of the factory stuff? Man, that sucks! Wonder why the bore is that way?

    Pretty rifle just the same. I would love to have a Krag that shot decent....someday, but it would have to shoot factory ammo fine though. I am not really a re-loader, brother is, and I would not know what for sure to do with one that did not run standard Krag fodder.
     
  13. 0311

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    There is not a model 1895. However, some early M1896 carbines and rifles were made in 1895 and have 1895 on the receiver. It looks like you have an 1898 or 1902 rear sight and looks like it took part in being reconditioned in 1899/1900. There are some easy ways to see if you have a genuine carbine or a rifle cut down in the early 1900's for civilian sales(as most of the guns sold on the commercial market were). Check and see if it has a "C" mark on the left or right side of the rear sight. If you have a "C" on the rear sight the side will also tell you what model of rear sight you have.

    Hope that helps, Semper Fi!
     
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  14. greg_r

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    I can use standard cases and have a few, but I had a lot of 303 cases that only needed to be run through a 30-40 full length sizing die.

    Not uncommon for milsurp from before the turn of the century to have out of spec bores. My Trapdoor Springfield 45-70 wants .460 bullets.
     
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  15. rugertoter

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    Whoa Nelly! :eek: They must not have had very good gun drill machines, back in the day! :p
     
  16. greg_r

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    I am pretty sure it is cut down, but it was a good job whoever did it. I will check for a "C" when I get back home next week. I bought it for a deer rifle back about 1978-1979. Back when I could buy an enfield for $70-$80. IIRC, I paid somewhere around $110 - $120 for it.

    My 1873 Springfield is not an 1873 either. It is a later model, something about the firing pin is different. I forget what year I was told it was when I had it appraised, but I can remember it was valued $200 more than I paid for it. I'm happy!

    When were you in the Corps? 1977-1986 for me. 4th Division.
     
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  17. 0311

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    Yep, was with 2/1 2011-2014 and 1st Regiment 2014-2015.
     
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  18. rugertoter

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    Well, with 0311 as your handle, I figured you were a Jarhead. Greg_r, didn't know you were one too. Me too...83'-87', a quiet time to be in. I was a 6433/37, and worked on helicopters.

    Had an older brother who was 0311 in Viet Nam, but he was KIA there in 1967...had an old dad who was at Pearl Harbor, and he was a gunner on a B-25. Robbie and I had different moms, that's why there was such an age difference.
     
  19. 0311

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    Well Semper Fi brother! Sounds like you come from a long line of patriots! Sorry to hear about your brother, but I’m sure he is busy keeping the streets of Heaven safe as we speak.
     
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  20. ifithitu

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    Very nice looking rifle.
     
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