What stage is your CCW in?

Discussion in 'Ruger Center Fire Pistols' started by Tommycourt, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. Tommycourt

    Tommycourt Tommycourt

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    I carry a Ruger Commander as my CCW. In Az were are allowed to have open carry. Most defense classes teach you to carry in the stage 1 position. I have an OWB holster without a thumb break. I carry my pistol in stage two, 1 round chambered and uncocked. I understand the 21 feet rule: how a man can run 21 feet and assault you before you clear leather. In stage one, with a 1911, the hammer is cocked, round chambered and the safety is on. I am very reluctant to carry in the stage 1 position even though I run the risk of personal assault. I also have a Colt Commander that I carry occasionally on a OWB holster with a thumb break, but I do not carry it cocked. Carrying a Glock, you are in stage 1 if you have a round in the chamber. What stage or position do you, if you have a CCW, carry in your holster. I have had different discussions on this locally and half believe in stage 1 and half in stage 2. What are your thoughts?
    Tommy
     
  2. marcinstl

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    I carry a Kel-Tec P-32 always, it's in a pocket. at 8oz. loaded there is no excuse not to. recently I have been carrying an older S&W mdl.36 J-frame as the primary gun. both of those have similar trigger pullls and are carried with rounds in the chamber(s). what do you call that, "DA ready"? in the winter I'll carry my Single Seven with chambers full, hammer down, guess that's condition 2 or 3 on a SA revolver. I have a 9mm clone of a Tokarev T-33, Soviet on the outside, all Browning on the inside(bushing, barrel link, SA with sliding trigger) and back when that gun was carried by Soviet Armies, it was carried condition 3. draw, chamber a round, fire. I think the Israelis train that way too.
    now why is an XD safe? the grip safety and a glocky trigger is not a thumb safety.
     

  3. phideaux

    phideaux Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    My Sig Ultra Carry 1911 , rides at 8-9 oclock , (yep Im a lefty now), in a Remora. Always stage 1. IMHO the only way to to carry a 1911.

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    Jim

    I wont say what else accompanies this one.;):)
     
  4. buster40c

    buster40c Well-Known Member

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    LCR revolver loaded with hot 357 mags in my front pocket. Click Bang ready at will. I am considering carrying an additional 2" snubby Rossi .38.
    Texas governor is expected to sign making open carry legal. I don't know if I will open carry my western rig with my Ruger GP100 then or not. Depends how the public reacts to the new open carry laws.
     
  5. single5

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    Ruger lc9 in a Desantis pocket holster located in right front pocket, Israeli style. Occasionally I will carry my naa blackwidow in a uncle mikes #2 pocket holster with 22 mag self defense rounds on very hot summer days.
     
  6. VThillman

    VThillman Active Member

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    I live in a small rural town - the service town for a state prison. Plenty of drugs around, with the 'intranecine' disturbances they bring. Not much violent interaction with the 'good citizens' though. I am waiting for a Significant Incident before going ccw, because otherwise I would be Jumping the Gun.

    I have a Grand Power P1 9mm set up for ccw, when/if the time comes. Haven't decided whether to carry cocked and locked, or at half cock with safety off ( the gun is DA/SA). There are pluses and minuses either way. Open carry is lawful, but I'm pretty sure it is unnecessarily nervous making for 'viewers' both civilian and LE.

    I could be wrong, I certainly don't have a feel for urban living, but what I read on forums gives me the impression that a lot of folks don't have a good understanding of what it means to carry a gun every day. It changes your relationship to your environment, both the gross and the fine dynamics of that relationship. If they would run some social situations by, with the gun element inserted... well, it ain't the same.

    Just the notion of open carry on a crowded sidewalk - that would really 'throw me off my game'.

    Sorry if I'm belaboring the obvious here. You guys must have all this worked out.
     
  7. marcinstl

    marcinstl New Member

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    " I am waiting for a Significant Incident to happen to somebody else before going ccw" good luck with that.

    now what's this open carry thing? ongoing gun show? any points awarded for prettiest gun/holster? there's nothing that says, "hey I'm looking for trouble and I gotta gun" like carrying the rig on your hip(preferably tied to leg). until I get to be as fast as Munden, think I'll just be the quiet guy with the concealed (stealth) gun. (Munden passed away a few years ago, he's still faster than me).
    good luck, have fun.
     
  8. VThillman

    VThillman Active Member

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    So who are you quoting there? I understand your message, but you obviously don't comprehend my environment. It is rural here, which aids in recognition of Yosemite Sam types.
     
  9. marcinstl

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    ok, that's rural. your not worried about street gangs, more like the attack of the psycho moose or drunken 19th century gun slingers. where is this place? out west? weekly rates at a motel? I need a vacation from urban living.
    I was driving from Seattle to St.Louis back in the 90's and noticed open carry in Wyoming and Montana, wondered if that was a necessity or just part of the lifestyle.
     
  10. VThillman

    VThillman Active Member

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    Rural Vermont ain't as rural as rural Wyoming or Montana; those folks probably consider my environment to be suburbia. It kind of is, except there's no 'urbia'. The psycho moose thing does happen occasionally in the fall, but the 'average' semiauto handgun would be useless, eh?

    I think open carry makes good sense out there - whatever those bears and big cats are after, they ain't apt to be grabbing your gun.
     
  11. Iowalefty

    Iowalefty New Member

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    I never carry open and I always carry condition 1.
     
  12. marcinstl

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    Vermont!? I've been waiting to run into a Vermonter on a gun board. I'm out here in the middle of the middle (Missouri) (red state, rednecks, etc.) and we hear rumors about blue states(Subaru driving socialists, Bernie Sanders, old hippies, etc.). Missouri rumor has it that Vermont has no gun laws, no permits for concealed or open carry, just a bunch of hippies, doing their thing, blah, blah and life goes on. can this be true?
    (I was on vacation one time and sort of back roaded thru NY, VT, ME on my way to Nova Scotia- great trip, wonderful country up there. kind of pricey though.)
    what kind of liberal 6" big caliber revolver do you want to open carry, Blackhawk or Redhawk?
     
  13. Reloader54

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    I also live in AZ. And I'm also a lefty. I carry a Rock Island Armory 1911-A1 in .45acp. And I carry it in a OWB as well at the 9 o'clock and it is in locked and loaded with the safety on. and my holster does not have a thumb lock either. The holster is a molded holster that is molded to fit the gun and to keep it in place with tension only. It is made by Alien Gear Holsters.
     
  14. VThillman

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    No gun laws for carrying, some for hunting, e.g. magazine capacity. Subarus are pretty common, because they go in snow, including uphill, and ride fairly easy. Bernie is an immigrant (to Vermont), an urbanite, and a 'people guy' who has been speaking to us and for us for lo these many years.

    I don't want to open carry any gun, except at the range or in the woods. I have a Blackhawk for the woods, and a 5" bbl Rhino alternative. I don't get around real well nowadays, have to stay on the logging roads and such to avoid tipping over.

    Re Vermonter humor, the folklore has it as 'deadpan' and dry. It ain't that so much anymore. I have a bitch of a time doing 'deadpan' anyway, my face is most comfortable with a smile on it.

    :)
     
  15. marcinstl

    marcinstl New Member

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    if you got a gun on each side and are a "centerist" you should be ok. the ones that tipover are the ones leaning one way or the other, to much.
    I've got Single Seven and can and have shot the .327 mag with it. I'm pushing 70 and find the .32 S&W longs to be just fine for target plinking.
    have fun up there, enjoy.
     
  16. garyplinick

    garyplinick New Member

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    Where am I with my CCW?

    Right now Ruger, LC380. Appendix and/or rear pocket. Just got a Springfield XDS, 9. That is going to my appendix IWB Crossbreed. I really like them both - so it depends how I feel.
     
  17. marcinstl

    marcinstl New Member

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    hehehehehe, remember the ketchup commercial that used Carly Simon's song, "Anticipation"? that's the LC380 trigger. the XDs trigger is pretty "Glocky", your going to like it, but don't give yourself "Glock leg" or worse. (you've tried the Ruger LC9s? to me that's better than "Glocky").
     
  18. garyplinick

    garyplinick New Member

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    Lc380

    I get the Ruger trigger joke, that's why I did a modification. Works great now.
     
  19. RA17

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    Glock 30 stage 1
     
  20. RavenU

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    Stop with the, 'stage' lingo. It's, 'condition' not, 'stage'. Pistol competitions have, 'stages'. Handguns have, 'conditions'. There are Four Conditions: C-0 (Glock and other striker-fired pistols), C-1, C-2, C-3, and, 'Empty'.

    Condition Zero, (C-0): Round chambered. Hammer/striker back or almost all the way back. No manual, user-applied safety to be removed in order to fire the pistol. Loaded magazine installed.

    Condition One, (C-1): Round chambered. Hammer/striker back or almost all the way back. Non-discretionary (mechanical), or user-applied safety engaged. Loaded magazine installed.

    Condition Two, (C-2): Round chambered. Hammer down or (incorrectly) held at half-notch. Loaded magazine installed. (Does NOT apply to Glock, or any other striker-fired pistol.)

    Condition Three, (C-3): Chamber empty. Hammer is either down, or (incorrectly) at half-notch; or else the striker is back or almost all the way back behind an empty chamber. The slide must be racked in order to charge the pistol. Loaded magazine installed.

    Empty: Chamber and magazine are empty. Empty magazine may be either in, or out of the pistol. Slide may, or may not be locked back.

    How do I carry a semiautomatic pistol? For the past 25 or 30 years I've carried in C-3 I'd say, about, 85 - 90% of the time; and, having already had the C-3 carry experience against two armed gangbangers, and handily surviving it, I'd appreciate not having to read the, 'It's a brick!' internet gun forum nonsense, yet again, one more time.

    I HAVE the, 'T-shirt' OK, people. Thank you! ;)
     
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