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Some people think our government or it's agencies will not shoot an American citizen because the citizen has rights. Well this video if real is flat out murder the way it looks. Three people take shots and hit this man. He was first shot while his hands were up. Then he was shot again when he points and yells the man shot him. Then another man coming from another direction appears to take the shot that kills the man. IMO this is murder plain and simple.
I read on another article that the men in the reserve hold out were asked to have a meeting with some law agency about the stand off at the reserve. On the way to the meeting the road was closed off and then the truck the man was driving went into a snow bank and got stuck. Then the shooting took place as the man was walking with his arms up. The report stated it was possibly a set up for this scenario to take place.
Where was the arrest warrant? Where was the reading of his rights? Where was his trial? Who gave the orders for this to happen? People need wake up and see our present government is anything but going by constitutional law. Here again is what people can expect from the NDAA.
Warning this video may really upset some that watch it because you will see a man shot to death.
http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/2016/...-point-out-agent-that-took-first-shot-at-him/
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if that video disappears from the internet.
I wonder how many will protest a white man got shot while his hands were up. I will wait for the protests for white lives matter.
 

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Unless you were there, you either have to trust what the LEOs saw and reacted to, or you don't. Of course, if you're predisposed to think all LEOs are out to get you, then it doesn't really matter what anyone says-you're going to see and hear what you want to support what you think, regardless of the reality of the situation.

Understand, I'm not saying they didn't shoot him down, nor am I saying they did; I am saying we weren't there, and we don't know. Simple as that.
 

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I was wondering why this video doesn't jibe with the LEO's video. Then I noticed that this one was "enhanced".

Hoo Boy.
 

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I have seen this video myself a few times, but the above link was so full of ads that I quit trying to watch it after a minute. What I saw previously were furtive movements where the victim dropped his arms and began reaching into his coat, and this was when the first shot took place. Am I seeing something different?
 

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VT what are you saying about it being enhanced? Are you saying by being enhanced the video was somehow changed to show something different than what the video really showed? Did the shooters draw their guns as soon as he got out of the truck? Did the shooters have vests on? It seems the dead guy didn't. I guess the video could somehow have been fudged to show the last shooter come up from the dead guys side to shoot him and he falls dead. Did the dead guy ever get his hand on his gun or bring it up to endanger the shooters? Gee I didn't see that in the video but I guess that could have been fudged out of the video. It sure appears the dead guy had his hands up when he was first shot.
I got news for you Gunslinger, I don't hate cops and nor do I believe that cops are out to get me. I actually believe cops are good and I respect the job they do. Not all cops are good and if that wasn't the case then why are some cops or government enforcement so against being video taped? In this case I believe the shooters were not your basic town cops either. From the report he was on his way to a meeting with evidently the feds but the guy gets stuck in the snow on his way to the meeting. Low and behold there are vehicles and people with guns miraculously appeared as soon as he got the truck stopped. They were even out of their vehicles with guns loaded and ready for action. Get real! That whole mental picture seems like an ambush in waiting. Why was the meeting not held in a neutral area close to the reserve hold out?
To funny they can't get to the emails of Hillary because of the snow storm but they sure could ask for a meeting miles away that required traveling a road deep in snow. This causes me to believe the video could very well be how the killing went down. If the shoe doesn't fit then don't expect me to wear it!
Granted videos can be and many are IMO fudged but there again it goes into the conspiracy BS. It seems Gunslinger you are the one that can't get past his own mind set toward government agencies and jump on your band wagon of insinuations of what I think and believe. Contrary to your insinuations I am not some mentally lost in a cloud nut.
IMO people need quit relying on mass media news to see what is happening around the globe not just here in the USA. Our government is not trying to take away our 2nd rights and guns away because that will make us safer. Get real! They would rather have the whole USA with a big no gun zone sign over it. Good gosh look at all the talk from the Democrat presidential contenders all talking more gun control. Funny how people with gun know taking guns away from law abiding citizens will not stop gun violence but these 3 socialist contenders seem to believe it. Get real even they know that is a stinking lie.
People in other countries can't believe how stupid Americans must be not to see how corrupt our government is.
Show me how this video doesn't go along with that it was an ambush.
 

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The 'enhancement' I suspect the Sons Of Liberty of getting done is changing the timing of that first shot. Think about it. Watch the LEO-issued video to see what a difference it makes.

I think I have mentioned before that one task for a centrist is to get as much input as he can stand from both sides (mostly the extremes nowadays on the Internet), and do his absolute best not to get snowed. If I ended up getting it right all the time, I would be a miracle worker. In this case we have The Sons Of Liberty, who are, ah, not above prevaricating.
 

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I wondered how the man got stuck in the snow. Here is another video. Well how about that the road was blocked by vehicles and off into the snow he went trying to escape the situation which he obviously though was not going to be healthy for him. If this wasn't a set up ambush then what the heck was it?
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VBNC-ZA9OKE[/ame]
Here is another one. Unedited FBI video. You might just wonder why was there someone flying taking video of every bit of this? Good gosh this was an ambush plain and simple. It proves to me the enhancement just showed more clearly the killing of this man by ambush.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
 

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You are saying that the FBI made sure to have video coverage of their ambush/murder? That makes sense to you? C'mon Buster, get real.
 

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I have watched both playbacks. There is nothing visual in either one that reveals when the first shot was fired. There is no soundtrack. So... you are free to guess, and to let any prejudices you may have color your vision.
 

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Oh so now I have prejudices. Yeah that must be it.
 

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Oh so now I have prejudices. Yeah that must be it.
Everyone does; it's part of living.

I wondered how long it would be before you 'took insult'. Not intended, but I will stop this conversation anyway.

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I didn't take it as an insult I took it as your reasoning as to why I perceive it the way I do and all the other points have nothing to do with it. Now that IMO is flat out ridiculous.
But I agree end of conversation.
 

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Y'all do realize that the guy in the truck is part of the group with the Brady brothers out of Nevada who have been held up in Oregon trying to get the land back from the government.
 

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I agree that there's no way of knowing exactly what and how things happened unless you were there. However you can bet the LEO's had itchy trigger fingers anytime they got around these fellows. This will be swept under the rug the best they can.
 

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I've watched it several times now an since when does a guy with his hands up in the air - surrounded by armed lawmen suddenly reach for his hand gun? Really?
Looks to me like he was hit and automatically grabbed the wound, then got shot by the guy in the woods as soon as he turned towards him.

Thats my take on it.
 
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