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Yes, a 9mm PCC is fine. It's just that the Obsolete Marlin wouldn't be my 1st choice ( or 2nd, or 3rd)

Ruger, Beretta, Tabor would place ahead of the "Camp " 9mm.
Ruger is my choice the camp 9 belongs to someone else .
 
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Some folks really like to defend their firearms! Obsolete is probably a stretch, but I would say the camp carbine is obsolescent. Eventually, those parts are going to run out. The parts and mags are kind of besides the point though. The feature set of newer PCCs is far greater than an older design. Personally in my situation and where I live, I wouldn't want to bug out with any PCC. Everyone has their own situation though!
 

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The .41 mag and matching S&W model 58 were issued to law enforcement agencies in the 1960's and 70's, before the popular trend of auto-pistols in 9mm kicked in.

Supposedly, female officers couldn't handle the power of the .41 mag, which led to it's demise as a Cop gun. Just goes to prove that you don't send a women to do a man's job.
 

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Some folks really like to defend their firearms! Obsolete is probably a stretch, but I would say the camp carbine is obsolescent. Eventually, those parts are going to run out. The parts and mags are kind of besides the point though. The feature set of newer PCCs is far greater than an older design. Personally in my situation and where I live, I wouldn't want to bug out with any PCC. Everyone has their own situation though!
Me neither,,,my Mini 14 would be my bug out rifle. I can carry 30 round mags and lots of ammo in a backpack.....but
the 9mm fills a niche for those that are novice gun owners, like my wife & daughter,
 

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That's fine, I'll leave the rodents for you, and I'll go after big game. I can always fish for survival eating, between deer backstrap BBQ meals.
I have taken BIG GAME with a .22 and made less noise not to attract attention to my location so much for the 41 Magnums LOUD Canon-like Report. The .22LR is more than adequate for large game animals at 0-100 Yards Professional Poachers have done it for well over 100 Years with shorts and longs. They used a .22 to evade the Game Wardens These poor People depended on the poached meat to survive and there are still poor people in Appalachia from southern NY to WVA, VA, Eastern KY, TN NC, SC, GA, AR that still poach for Survival.


Bella Twin Killed a World Record Grizzly Bear in 1953 with a 22 Long single shot bolt rifle.

https://throughahunterseyes.com/bella-twin-22-used-take-1953-world-record-grizzly/#:~:text=Bella Twin is shown with the hide from,in Alberta, Canada. She was 63 years old.


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I have taken BIG GAME with a .22 and made less noise not to attract attention to my location so much for the 41 Magnums LOUD Canon-like Report. The .22LR is more than adequate for large game animals at 0-100 Yards Professional Poachers have done it for well over 100 Years

https://throughahunterseyes.com/bella-twin-22-used-take-1953-world-record-grizzly/#:~:text=Bella Twin is shown with the hide from,in Alberta, Canada. She was 63 years old.


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I don't consider hogs "Big Game". And I certainly would not go trudging through brush where 10 yards is a long shoot, with a 22 rimfire, looking for one. They ( hogs) are more like giant varmints. With the diseases they carry, I could never eat one.

How many have you eaten?
 

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I don't consider hogs "Big Game". And I certainly would not go trudging through brush where 10 yards is a long shoot, with a 22 rimfire, looking for one. They ( hogs) are more like giant varmints. With the diseases they carry, I could never eat one.

How many have you eaten?
I don't care what you consider BIG GAME a Wild Boar is a Large and Dangerous Game. The only 10 Yard shots are made when I trap them in a coral trap and it's still a .22lr Headshot that puts them to sleep with a Head Shot usually from a .22lr revolver where it loses a good bit of Velocity but the .22LR STILL gets the Job Done. But most of the time I sit in a Ladder Stand 25' off the Ground 50 - 75 Yards from a bait pile at night and make several Headshots in total Darkness and load up the Hogs afterward and transport them to the processor. Yes Both Wild & Domestic Swine carry a disease known as a blood-born Disease, Pseudorabies, Swine Brucellosis, Tularemia, Anthrax, Parasites this is why pork has to be cooked well for Human consumption to kill off these Diseases and Parasites. I have eaten several Wild Hogs and they taste no different from the pork meat at the grocery store. We give processed pork to food banks for the needy and if it were dangerous we would not be allowed to give it away.

IF THIS IS NOT A BIG GAME ANIMAL I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!
BLACK BEARS ARE SMALLER THAN THIS IN MY STATE BLACK
BEAR AVERAGE WEIGHT IS 90 TO 180 POUNDS BUT SOME HAVE
BEEN AS HIGH AS 660 POUNDS 75 POUNDS HEAVIER THAN THE
HOG BELOW.


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THIS HOGS WEIGHT WAS 585 POUNDS IT WAS SO HEAVY IT BROKE
THE TAILGATE BRACKETS WE HAD TO USE THE FRONT END LOADER
ON A TRACTOR TO GET IT LOADED. THE 22LR I/4 " BELOW THE EAR
BLEW OUT HIS LIGHTS! FOR A CLEAN HUMANE KILL .
 
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I don't consider hogs "Big Game". And I certainly would not go trudging through brush where 10 yards is a long shoot, with a 22 rimfire, looking for one. They ( hogs) are more like giant varmints. With the diseases they carry, I could never eat one.
How many have you eaten? "That's fine, I'll leave the rodents for you, and I'll go after big game. I can always fish for survival eating, between deer backstrap BBQ meals."
Do you consider Deer a Big Game Animal? As a Nuisance Wildlife Control Operator, I am often issued a Deer culling Permit also known as a depredation permit . I also use a .22lr To make headshots on deer on a field of crops 50 to 100 Yards away it only takes one to drop a White Tail. The Diseases carried by deer include Q-fever, chlamydiosis, leptospirosis, campylobacterosis, salmonellosis, cryptosporidiosis , giardiasis, Brucellosis, this meat is processed and given to the food banks to feed the needy no meat is damaged with the .22 LR whereas with a 41 magnum hand canon a whole shoulder would go to waste and all these diseases are killed by cooking the meat well. The average weight of a White Tail Deer is 100 pounds to 150 pounds you consider that Big Game the average weight of a feral Hog is 130 -180 Pounds and you don't consider that to be a big game??? Strange you say the Wild Swine carry Diseases and are not good to eat but Deer carry more Diseases than wild swine but you would eat deer meat ?????
 
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Wild hogs are a nuisance animal, so no I don't consider it "Game", it's more of a large varmint, IMHO.

Deer are defined as "big game", by the agency that is authorized to manage their populations, in the state where I live.

Another reason I would carry a .41 magnum in my neck of the woods, is that we have an overpopulation of Mountain Lions, in my state, as the are protected from hunting , by the Libtards, who think they are cute, cuddly Cats.

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Mountain lions are not in my area we have some Black Leopards but they are rare and very few. We have some Bob Cats I killed 4 last year with my Ruger 10/22. They destroyed a man's show chickens and some other exotic Birds he raised . But I see one in the wild the cat gets a pass Coyotes don't get a pass.
 

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Wild hogs are a nuisance animal, so no I don't consider it "Game", it's more of a large varmint, IMHO.

Deer are defined as "big game", by the agency that is authorized to manage their populations, in the state where I live.

Another reason I would carry a .41 magnum in my neck of the woods, is that we have an overpopulation of Mountain Lions, in my state, as the are protected from hunting , by the Libtards, who think they are cute, cuddly Cats.

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Why would you want to kill a Mt Lion? They have a tough enough time surviving without people trying to kill them for the hell of it!You don't eat them, they do not over breed, they are just trying to get by like the rest of us. IMHO
 

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I am not a fan of killing predator like Bob cats or Mt. Lions. WE have taken enough of their habitat etc and they have a tough enough time trying to survive without us trying to kill them. Pigs & deer over populate if not managed, but the cats do nto breed in the same numbers etc . They are rarely if ever over running any area etc. Just my opinion. If you are not going to eat it and it is not a direct threat to you , leave it alone.
 

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Why would you want to kill a Mt Lion? They have a tough enough time surviving without people trying to kill them for the hell of it!You don't eat them, they do not over breed, they are just trying to get by like the rest of us. IMHO
The only way I would shoot one of these Majestic Cats is if it destroyed Domestic Farm animals and was a threat to the public and I was called to take care of this problem as a Nuisance Wildlife Control Operator then it would be taken a dirt nap.
 
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I don't care what you consider BIG GAME a Wild Boar is a Large and Dangerous Game. The only 10 Yard shots are made when I trap them in a coral trap and it's still a .22lr Headshot that puts them to sleep with a Head Shot usually from a .22lr revolver where it loses a good bit of Velocity but the .22LR STILL gets the Job Done. But most of the time I sit in a Ladder Stand 25' off the Ground 50 - 75 Yards from a bait pile at night and make several Headshots in total Darkness and load up the Hogs afterward and transport them to the processor. Yes Both Wild & Domestic Swine carry a disease known as a blood-born Disease, Pseudorabies, Swine Brucellosis, Tularemia, Anthrax, Parasites this is why pork has to be cooked well for Human consumption to kill off these Diseases and Parasites. I have eaten several Wild Hogs and they taste no different from the pork meat at the grocery store. We give processed pork to food banks for the needy and if it were dangerous we would not be allowed to give it away.

IF THIS IS NOT A BIG GAME ANIMAL I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!
BLACK BEARS ARE SMALLER THAN THIS IN MY STATE BLACK
BEAR AVERAGE WEIGHT IS 90 TO 180 POUNDS BUT SOME HAVE
BEEN AS HIGH AS 660 POUNDS 75 POUNDS HEAVIER THAN THE
HOG BELOW.


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THIS HOGS WEIGHT WAS 585 POUNDS IT WAS SO HEAVY IT BROKE
THE TAILGATE BRACKETS WE HAD TO USE THE FRONT END LOADER
ON A TRACTOR TO GET IT LOADED. THE 22LR I/4 " BELOW THE EAR
BLEW OUT HIS LIGHTS! FOR A CLEAN HUMANE KILL .
People who do not think Pigs are dangerous are not thinking straight. Lived in Az for 12-13 yrs and we had pigs! They were not afraid of me, my (LAB) dog or much else! When you ran into them they usually were in a small herd of 5-7 etc, and if they had little ones, you steered clear. They were very social/smart animals in that they worked as a team, protecting the young, and keeping a defensive perimeter at all times. You did not want to fool with the pigs!
 

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Yes they are in Fact larger than Black Bears and are very dangerous if surprised they are very smart, I have been charged twice by a boar and both times were close calls this is why I prefer the Ladder Stand. I was on my way to a ladder stand at night and I was about two steps from it and the boar charged in and I was about three steps from the ladder and I went up about five steps the boar head-butted the ladder trying to knock me off the ladder I pulled my 9mm pistol with a flashlight and popped him in the top of the head killing him instantly the hog was approx 300 Pounds his tusks were about 4" long and Very Sharp. But for the most part, the Hogs run away when the hogs wind you their sense of smell is better than a blood Hound but I use a cover scent rabbit urine or coyote urine or Dead Down Wind to cover my human scent. But the .22LR will put them down with a shot placed to the head a large bore caliber is not needed, I have killed a Boar at 25 Yards with a .22 caliber Benjamin Prowler Air Rifle with a 14.3-grain pellet while waiting on a rabid raccoon to come out of his den under a House and this small wild boar walked out in front of me giving me a perfect shot from my ground blind I hit him 1/8 " below the ear dropped him like a stone very little blood here is a pic of the Hog and what the Benjamin.22 Caliber Air Rifle looks like. It sends the the14.3 grain pellet out at about 850 -950 fps they claim 950 but the best I have done was 950 fps. so they live up to the claim of 950 FPS.




To give you an Idea of the Razor-sharp Tusks the Wild European Boar sport.

Terrestrial animal Snout Suidae Wildlife Fur

These two were feeding in a Peanut Field in the afternoon and were shot with a .223 / 5.56 MM 55 grain ballistic tip AR-15 from 250 Yards away
 
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Why would you want to kill a Mt Lion? They have a tough enough time surviving without people trying to kill them for the hell of it!You don't eat them, they do not over breed, they are just trying to get by like the rest of us. IMHO
They kill and eat people in my neck of the woods. I would not be hunting them. I would however be carrying a firearm during my regular course of Deer or black bear hunting, or walking around in the woods, to defend myself with, should the lion decide that he likes my white meat for dinner. I think a .41 mag carbine would be ideal for such an encounter. It would be stupid to depend on a .22 lr caliber firearm for defensive use in the Sierra Nevada mountains near where I live.

Is there a reason you always have to stir the crap here by questioning other members motives?
 

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They kill and eat people in my neck of the woods. I would not be hunting them. I would however be carrying a firearm during my regular course of Deer or black bear hunting, or walking around in the woods, to defend myself with, should the lion decide that he likes my white meat for dinner. I think a .41 mag carbine would be ideal for such an encounter. It would be stupid to depend on a .22 lr caliber firearm for defensive use in the Sierra Nevada mountains near where I live.

Is there a reason you always have to stir the crap here by questioning other members motives?
Yes, there are times when the alternatives are limited! I also would not want to become CatChow!
 

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DISAGREE.. parts are available from Numrich. I own literally EVERY replacement part to rebuild the gun excepet for the receiver and barrell. (All the internal parts are still available today.) It has only one delicate part..the buffer . Aftermarket buffers are $13 and last for 5k rounds. If it was so delicate it would not have a cult following lasting over 30 years?
As for S&W magazines, they are for sale everywhere and mec gar makes brand new ones still to this day. (I would not call Mec gar marginal quality)
Watch this video and you will see it makes an EXCELLENT bug out gun in 9mm.
 
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