Refugees from the middle east

Discussion in 'Politics and Religion' started by Tommycourt, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. Tommycourt

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    Obama and some others have stated that we need to take in 10K plus refugees from the middle east due to the migration from ISIS and Russian held territories. I am not being cruel hearted, but I really don't understand how we can accept these people presently when we can't even protect our borders? Some congressmen have stated that they need to be vetted and then let them have rights to stay in the U.S. First of all, how can they vet them when we can't control our borders? How can we vet when they are using or some not even using proper citizenship to their own country or are forging passports? We all know that ISIS will infiltrate with these people and we will have no way of isolating them or even finding them once they have entered. I don't want to sound cruel, however I do worry about the security of our nation. What are your thoughts?

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  2. SHOOTER13

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    Not cruel Tommy...smart.

    How this president can say he took an oath to protect this country from all enemies...both foreign & domestic...

    and then let tens of thousands of non-immunized, disease carrying, potential criminals into our southern border

    with Mexico and then turm around and "import" 10,000 more non-immunized, disease carrying, potential jihadists

    Syrian refugees in to live off the tax burdened middle class of this country is beyond all reasonable thought.

    Yet...here we are !!

    Obama won't be paying for them...having to live with them....deal with their disease and crime...he will be living the good life

    ...with gun toting security guards at his walled castle...until his worthless, socialistic, unrealistic ass is dead.

    JMHPOO...( Just My Humble Pissed Off Opinion )
     

  3. buster40c

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    You can bet the reason Obama bought property on the islands is because he has no plans of being here on the mainland after he trashes it out. Much easier to close off the islands to the unwanted.
    It has been reported that the refugees would not even accept help packages that had the red cross emblem on them. Don't expect refugees to want to assimilate into the American culture or citizenship. That right there just might tell the story of who is behind the destruction of Syria. The refugees know first hand the real story about what is going on while we only hear what we are supposed to hear. Seems the refugees don't have a belief in US good intentions.
    Look at what is happening in Michigan if you want an idea what is planned for all of the US in the future. A house divided cannot stand. Obama is doing a bang up job of dividing up the citizens here against one another let alone bring in thousands more to add even greater division.
    It is not going to be a cake walk in the future that's for sure and I bet the tension will be so great it will be felt in the air and seen in the faces of the people. Like Tommy I believe people better get realistic about what is happening and coming our way real soon.
     
  4. Tommycourt

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    Shooter brought up a good point that I had forgotten about when he spoke of diseases that are brought into our country with all the illegals. Not long ago polio was completely wiped out of America and so was tuberculosis. Measles, chicken pox and similar diseases are showing up all over and it's because these non-citizens(politically correct here) have not had any vaccinations and a lot of them don't want them. When Ellis Island was thriving and the aliens had to go there, the hospital there was one of the best in the world. Many were in isolation until they were cured, and if not cured, sent back to their country of origin. They just had a special on the History Channel about Ellis Island and explained on how these people were allowed into our country. Can some one give me a good reason for not resurrecting Ellis Island. Yes the cost would be high but lower than the cost of trying to control diseases that were eliminated. A measles shot will not kill you! Some say it will but it far outweighs the damage untreated diseases can cause. We waste trillions of dollars yet a facility such as this, going unused to me is a travesty. I am sure that someone a whole lot smarter than me can come up with some sort of solution, because an idiot such as myself can see future benefits for those who wish to enter our country. It would be a small start, BUT it's better than no start at all and presently, that is what we have. NO START whatsoever.

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  5. SHOOTER13

    SHOOTER13 RETIRED MODERATOR Lifetime Supporter

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    Wait...it gets better:

    Obama to Import 70,000 Unvetted Muslim Refugees

    With the U.S. and European law enforcement and intelligence agencies warning government leaders about homegrown terrorists who have traveled to Syria, Iraq, Somalia and other countries to fight alongside Muslim terrorists, President Barack Obama has unilaterally decided to bring upwards of 70,000 more so-called Muslim refugees.

    In fact, in an Examiner news story posted in January, the story regarding Obama’s reckless invitation for so-called Muslim refugees to come into the United States received minimal attention. That news story is as pertinent today — perhaps more pertinent — with growing concerns of homegrown or lone wolf terrorists who give their allegiance to ISIS, al-Qaida, Al Shabaab and other radical Muslim groups.

    An Islamic cleric, Egyptian Fouad El Bayly, who has called for the killing of an anti-radical activist and writer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, actually received lucrative contracts from President Barack Obama’s administration to instruct Muslims in U.S. prisons, according to the Washington Times on Monday. This includes newly converted Muslims in prison and who are ripe for proselytizing to the harshest brand of Islam.

    Many American political leaders, military officials, law enforcement and security chiefs, and members of the news media are confounded by President Barack Obama’s refusal to identify Muslim terrorism or Islamist terrorists as being Muslim terrorism or Islamist terrorists. Perhaps an organization that represents military combat veterans from all branches of the armed forces has discovered the reason for Obama and his minions’ hesitancy: He’s welcoming tens of thousands of Muslim refuges into U.S. cities without the slightest pretense of conducting any type of vetting.

    President Obama is being quietly applauded by United Nations officials for his agreeing to secretly allow 70,000 Muslim refugees to “legally” enter the U.S. as part of the an international resettlement program, according to the political action committee Combat Veterans for Congress. Besides providing these unscreened Muslim aliens with green cards, Obama and his minions are fast tracking them for U.S. citizenship.

    The Obama administration has already provided refuge for more Muslims than all the other nations in the world combined. In fact, it’s been proven repeatedly that Muslims who have been given citizenship have been arrested for terrorist plots, aiding and abetting terrorist acts, providing material support to terrorist groups, and some have even returned overseas to fight American armed forces.

    According the nonpartisan Combat Veterans PAC, some of the new Islamic immigrants pose a serious risk to American national security and public safety. And while the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is claiming it may be sending out refund checks to taxpayers late this year due to budget cuts, the Obama administration is paying at least $10 billion to resettle this new wave of immigration.

    Why are American citizens putting up with this insanity? We have millions of illegal immigrants being fast-tracked for citizenship by an administration that believes a large number of American citizens are ‘extremists,’ and citizens seem blind that our children’s and grandchildren’s inheritance is being squandered by anti-American politicians or feckless leaders,” said former U.S. Marine and police detective Sid Franes.

    The veteran’s PAC believes that, based on intelligence reports, some of these Muslim immigrants may have previously joined groups such as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). For example, some of the Somali refuges who settled on Minneapolis, Minnesota, and who were fast-tracked and received U.S. citizenship have reportedly joined ISIS in Syria and should they return will pose a serious threat to the United States.

    The Combat Veterans for Congress also believes reports that al-Qaida has already infiltrated the UN Resettlement Program in order to achieve legal acceptance as U.S. citizens within American communities. Other groups seeking “refuge’ in the United States come from Somalia (Al-Shabaab), Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), Gaza/West Bank (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad), Libya, and other nations.

    Part of the bonanza of benefits that will be handed out by the Department of Homeland Security’s Immigration Service will be the issuance of Social Security numbers and work permits without doing the proper investigation required to determine that the immigrants are not convicted criminals, or have any terrorist links.

    According to officials with Combat Veterans for Congress, “It is very dangerous for the National Security interest of the United States to issue social security numbers and work permits for 5 million Illegal aliens and fast track 70,000 Muslim refugees for U.S. citizenship without doing the in proper depth background investigations on each individual, in order to determine if they are convicted felons, involved in drug smuggling, and to determine if they have terrorist ties. The Obama administration seems to be approving one program after another that is destabilizing the national security interest of the republic.”

    ( Jim Kouri, CPP, the fifth Vice President and Public Information Officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, has served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. This article originally appeared in the Examiner MARCH 15TH 2015 )


    YOUR TAX $$ @ WORK....

    I've already sent letters to my Senator and Congressmen/woman....suggest YOU do the same !!

    ( While we still HAVE a country )
     
  6. buster40c

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    I have seen reports that that 70,000 is not even close to how many are headed this way in the near future. England is being inundated with them and causing more problems than could be imagined. I also saw pictures of refugees in boats and funny thing was they were all men. Like fighting age men, not young boys. Something also interesting is there seems not to be any Christian refugees among these incoming people. Seems Christians are being made to stay and get slaughtered by the Islamics/ISIS fighters.
    I wasn't t concerned about a Muslim takeover here in the states but now I am really starting to think there is a reason to think differently. Number one these refugees IMO and by what has been reported happening in other countries these refugees have no desire to become citizens and part of our society. For cripe sakes they scream death to American and the USA so I really have no misconception of them wanting to assimilate into our society. That and the pictures of boat loads of men not families is really a threatening picture.
    Talk about treason........what would our government bringing in what seems to be our enemies at tax payers expense to transport, feed, and house in our country be called? Add these American haters into the already hundred thousand illegals our open borders have taken in and how in the heck are they going to be taken care of?
    If you don't own a gun you dang straight better buy one now. Look what's happening in other countries that have taken in these religious Sharia/Muslim terrorists/haters into their neighborhoods. I read a report of a young Muslim didn't like the sleeveless shirt a woman was wearing and he ended up knocking her to the ground by a punch to her jaw. The bystander buddies of his cheered his actions. Screw whatever law is in these new countries because they are going to go by Sharia law. Here in Texas the town mayor had to tell the local Muslims their Sharia courts of law tribunals were not going to be tolerated. The Muslims are coming unglued because of that and they are stating it is their religion. The Mayor didn't even acknowledge any religion, she just said Sharia law will not take the place of US Constitutional law.
    People better wake up to the fact our own government is behind all this and it is only a matter of time before somehow these refugee Muslims will be getting heavily armed right here just like ISIS has been heavily armed. Funny how most people of foreign countries say it is the USA arming these ISIS terrorist fighters. Gee is it any wonder why people in the middle east hate the USA and for that matter American citizens? Foreigners believe Americans can't be so unknowing that our tax dollars are funding the takeover of so many countries. This is why they hate Americans!
    What we are seeing happening in other countries will be seen right here in the states. You can bet there will be even greater attempts made to disarm the American public just like has happened in other countries that are now being flooded with unfriendly refugees. Yep I truly believe our country is in for one hell of a ride in the very near future. How can it be anything else when around 300,000 people with more coming will need jobs but can't even speak the language and few have any real skills. We don't have the jobs or the money or the housing for destitute people.
    Well I hate to say it but IMO what we see going on has all been planned out to happen. Obama is going to get his total transformation of this country. The whole political bunch are nothing but treasonous bastards. All the while Americans eat their pizza, watch the games, and couldn't care less what is happening outside their little worlds. People better be preparing for all hell to break loose real soon. We have never seen our land being the positioning of war but I really think we will not be out of the circle this go around. To bad our military will be nowhere in sight here. Some how I see that as being part of the plan also. Here comes martial law and Obama becoming sitting president/dictator.
    Actually the whole world is being transformed and being done by use of religious extremists. This way the USA and other involved countries can say they didn't do it. But truth be known they supplied the extremists to make war with every country that its government is not Islamic led. Here comes your world government to step in and take it all under its reign. Think I am nuts? You better look farther than your fenced in back yard and quit listening to mass media liars. That's all right you keep believing the government labeling all non believers as conspiracy nuts.
     
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  7. squirrelhunter

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    ^^^^^^^^^ +1
     
  8. Ernesto

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    The Pope said we should be kind to immigrants today. I think he just wantsa to keep them out of Italy. lol
     
  9. buster40c

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    Yep the pope wants to be friends with people that say death to Christians. Kind of makes me wonder is the Pope Catholic?