Not to bad at 10 paces with my sr9c, open sites. Got a couple wild ones. Been having the jitters lately at 60 years old and nerve damage from installing flooring for 40 years. Excuses haha. The ole glue bucket didn't fare well from the Remington 12 GA with 2 3/4 00 buckshot. And that steel is thicker than any car doors. Through and through.