Goodbye "Ole Green Tip"...

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  1. SHOOTER13

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    Another executive action by Obama and Holder... :mad:

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

    http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi..._primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf


    BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”

    Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

    Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles

    A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

    Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles

    Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

    BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO

    Well...looks like I'm in violation...big time !! :rolleyes:
     
  2. phideaux

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    Dang me too...

    Looks like my freedoms are going away at a more rapid pace than ever before.

    At this rate we wont have any left by the time Jan 2016 rolls around.


    MHO...putrid.



    Jim
     

  3. SHOOTER13

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    Yea Jim...heard that !!

    It's got to the point where I don't invest in Gold or Silver...just Copper, Brass, & Lead !!!

    The currency for the new millennium... ;)
     
  4. SHOOTER13

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    On a lighter note...

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  5. SHOOTER13

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    Free letter to BATFE on possible M855 ban... and a chance to win free M855 ammo...check it here:


    http://wewillnotbackdown.com/?utm_s... - 2-20-15)&mc_cid=b6b3d89c17&mc_eid=[UNIQID]
     
  6. SHOOTER13

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    To leave comments at the BATFE site:


    VI. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION

    ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments.

    Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

     ATF website: [email protected]. Follow the instructions for submitting comments.

     Fax: (202) 648-9741.

     Mail:
    Denise Brown
    Mailstop 6N-602
    Office of Regulatory Affairs
    Enforcement Programs and Services
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
    99 New York Avenue, NE
    Washington, DC 20226
    ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

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    FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:

    Denise Brown
    Telephone: (202) 648-7070.

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  7. SHOOTER13

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    This is the third letter I sent...and I urge all of you to join me in this fight !!

    Thank you...

    Letter follows:

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    As a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I write you today to OPPOSE the proposed "armor piercing" ammunition regulation as provided in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) notice.

    Specifically, I urge the BATFE to REJECT the Proposed Regulation and maintain the current exemption for M855/SS109 5.56x45mm ammunition.

    The ammunition targeted by the Proposed Regulation is unquestionably one of the most popular “sporting purpose” ammunition types on the market. Moreover, the ammunition is commonly acquired, possessed, and used by millions of Americans for lawful purposes like self-defense, making the ammunition protected from an outright ban under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. (See, e.g., District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008).)

    BATFE must maintain the status quo and avoid infringing on the fundamental, individual rights of law-abiding people. In the alternative, the underlying categorical ban on many common ammunition cartridges will fail the legal challenge that is sure to come.

    Again, I urge the BATFE to REJECT the Proposed Regulation and maintain the current exemption for M855/SS109 5.56x45mm ammunition. Thank you.

    Signed,

    xxxxx xxxxx ( name )
    xxxxx xxxx ( address )
    xxxxxxxx xxxxx ( city state zip )

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    Second Amendment advocates are all up in arms over Barack Obama ban on M885 .223 ammo. Many get very technical about how a M885 bullet differs from other ammo but we think they are missing the point. It's not the composition or nature of the ammo, but the fact that Barack Obama has seized the power to restrict the manufacture or sale of any kind of ordinary ammunition. He does not have that authority under the Second Amendment, but he's doing it anyway.

    We believe he is not so much intent on eliminating the M885 as he is about ultimately banning AR type weapons by preventing these gun owners from being able to obtain ammo. It is for that reason that we are most concerned about this action.

    Here's how the Washington Examiner reports the story:

    As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela's, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.

    Wednesday night, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, stepped in with a critical letter to the bureau demanding it explain the surprise and abrupt bullet ban. The letter is shown below.

    The National Rifle Association, which is working with Goodlatte to gather co-signers, told Secrets that 30 House members have already co-signed the letter and Goodlatte and the NRA are hoping to get a total of 100 fast.

    "The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop. "The NRA and our tens of millions of supporters across the country will fight to stop President Obama's latest attack on our Second Amendment freedoms."

    At issue is so-called "armor-piercing" ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo.

    The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher-caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it's mostly used by target shooters, not criminals. The agency proposes to reclassify it as armor-piercing and not exempt.

    But now BATFE says that since the bullets can be used in semi-automatic handguns they pose a threat to police and must be banned from production, sale and use. But, as Goodlatte noted, the agency offered no proof. Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo.

    "This round is amongst the most commonly used in the most popular rifle design in America, the AR-15. Millions upon millions of M855 rounds have been sold and used in the U.S., yet ATF has not even alleged — much less offered evidence — that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer," said Goodlatte's letter.

    Even some police don't buy the administration's claim. "Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol," Brent Ball, owner of 417 Guns in Springfield, Mo., and a 17-year veteran police officer told the Springfield News-Leader. "As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you."

    Many see the bullet ban as an assault on the AR-15 and Obama's back-door bid to end production and sale.

    Be ready. He will NOT stop there....!!!!
     
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  10. SHOOTER13

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    In the end, I like what James Madison said about ‘laws” like these. Perhaps he had entities like the ATF in mind when he wrote the following:

    " It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read… or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow."


    Until next time, keep your powder dry (and continue stocking up on ALL the calibers of ammo for the guns you own).
     
  11. phideaux

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    I have written, emailed and called my cogressmen,
    Theyall agree with me.:)



    Jim
     
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    ATF Federal Firearm Regulations Reference Guide 2014... ( 237 page PDF )

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    https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...ide_3-7-15.pdf

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    Page 190 ( if you want to see it in Black & White )...


    In addition, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 added to the definition of armor piercing ammunition the following:

    "... a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile."

    Exemptions: The following articles are exempted from the definition of armor piercing ammunition:

    5.56 mm (.233) SS 109 and M855 Ammunition, identified by a green coating on the projectile tip.

    U.S. .30-06 M2AP, identified by a black coating on the projectile tip.
     
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    Final Decision...

    BREAKING: ATF Will Not Ban Popular M855 AR-15 Ammunition

    In a short statement issued March 10, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives backed away from its proposed ban on the sale and manufacture of the popular M855 round used primarily in AR-15 rifles.

    The ATF proposed a new method for determining which so-called "armor-piercing" ammunition that could be fired from a pistol should be restricted, and said it had received more than 80,000 comments that were "critical of the framework."

    "Although ATF endeavored to create a proposal that reflected a good faith interpretation of the law and balanced the interests of law enforcement, industry, and sportsmen, the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and include issues that deserve further study," the ATF said in a statement. "Accordingly, ATF will not at this time seek to issue a final framework."

    The original proposal which was released last month prompted a strong reaction from the shooting public, with most seeing the move as a way for the Obama Administration to regulate gun ownership through executive action after being stymied by Congress. Major news networks covered the story and the National Rifle Association lobbied hard to keep the regulation at bay.

    The ATF argues that since the M855 round incorporates some steel in its construction and can be fired from an AR-style pistol, it is in violation of the 1986 Law Enforcement Officer Protection Act which bans pistol rounds that can penetrate soft body armor worn by police. Gun owners argued that all rifle ammunition is technically armor-piercing due to its velocity, and that if the ATF could ban M855, it could eventually ban all rifle ammunition.

    The White House sided with the ATF, saying the M855 ban was a "common sense" solution to an emerging threat to law enforcement, but there has so far been no documented case where a police officer was threatened by M855 rounds fired from an AR pistol.

    And after a major backlash in Congress, including a letter to the ATF signed by more than 250 lawmakers and a bill introduced in the House to bar the ATF from any future ammo bans, the gun regulating agency relented. "ATF will process the comments received, further evaluate the issues raised therein, and provide additional open and transparent process (for example, through additional proposals and opportunities for comment) before proceeding with any framework," the ATF said.

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    http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/ar...ar-m855-ar-15-ammunition#sthash.JjcTEXq2.dpbs

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  17. phideaux

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    Makes me feel good... I had a part in them backing off.

    I sent letters , emails, and placed calls to my congressmans offices.

    Thanks SHOOTER13 for keeping us informed.



    Jim
     
  18. SHOOTER13

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    Even better news...

    BREAKING: After Scrapping AR-15 Ammo Ban, ATF Director B. Todd Jones Resigning

    “ATF employees are hard-working, dedicated individuals who serve the public to make our nation safer every day,” said Jones. “I have seen firsthand their extraordinary commitment to combatting violent crime, ridding the streets of criminals, and leveraging all available resources to keep our communities safe," Jones said in a statement. “I will truly miss leading and working side-by-side with these men and women in their pursuit of ATF’s unique law enforcement and regulatory mission."

    Jones confirmed in a statement sent to ATF employees and agents that he will be returning to the private sector and said he never planned to stay longer than 18 months in the position. His last day at the Bureau will be March 31.

    "On March 31, 2015, I will be leaving ATF and Federal government service and returning to the private sector. I am pleased to tell you that Deputy Director Tom Brandon will serve as Acting Director upon my departure.

    When I came to ATF in August 2011 to serve as the Acting Director, I only expected to stay about 18 months; I was fortunate to stay more than three years, part of that as a Senate-confirmed Director. During that time, as a result of your efforts, ATF has continued – efficiently and effectively – to protect the public and make a difference in the communities it serves," Jones said.
     
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