I posted in another thread about round ball loads I was working on for my LCRX-3. It generated a bit of interest, so I thought I would talk about them a bit.
First, I will talk only in generalities. I will not give out any of the load data I am using. None of these loads are found in any of the modern loading manuals I have, or have seen. However, they can be found in older loading manuals. Today they are commonly called Cat Sneeze or Mouse Fart loads. The old vernacular was Gallery loads. They are round balls pushed at a low velocity by a small charge of fast burning pistol powder. Those of us who are old enough remember the shooting gallery's at the county fair will remember these loads. They are low velocity, 300 to 600 fps pure lead round ball loads intended for close range target shooting where noise is an issue.
I load them in 45 Auto Rim, 45 Colt, and 45/70. A .457 pure lead round ball weighs 144 grains. I load these as is in the 45/70 or run them through a .452 sizer to load in the 45 AR or 45 Colt.
A .451 round ball weighs 138 grains and can be loaded into the 45AR or 45 Colt as is. The .454 weighs 141 grains and can be loaded in either of the pistol rounds as is, or after running them through a .452 sizer.
I have not had good accuracy out of the 45/70 with the .457 RB unless loaded to the slowest velocity that will assure the ball does not get stuck in the barrel. I believe the bearing surface is so small as to strip the rifling easily. Same with using the .451 ball in the Colt or Auto Rim cartridge. I use Lee equipment almost exclusively. Their sizing equipment is push through, so it is only possible to reduce the diameter of the ball. I have recently purchased a Lyman sizing die, along with a .459 die and top punch. I hope to be able to bump the .457 ball to .459 with this setup. I expect good things. My favorite loads with the Colt and Auto Rim is to use the .454 ball as is. I get very good accuracy with it.
Recently I decided to develop a RB load for my 38 Special. My only experience with round balls in the 38 was a multiple ball load for social work, not something I could get interested in. I have loaded some 000 buckshot run through a .358 sizer. I have not gotten the accuracy I wanted. I intend to load some up without sizing to see what I can get. The sizer only reduces the size of the buckshot by .002, so I think letting them size down in the barrel might do well, kind of like the .454 balls in the 45 Colt.
What do I use these for?
1, Garden gun. Sometimes rat shot is just not enough. Plus, the Cat Sneeze load is much quieter.
2, Small game. They excell here. I liken then to a wrist rocket shooting marbles. Often I have collected a game animal and the ball has not even pierced the skin.
3, Backyard plinking. I have found that a bullet trap designed for 22 rimfires actually works well as a backstop. And while the ball will penetrate a cedar fence board, a soft target will stop them. I use a piece of old carpet hung behind my target. The carpet will give enough to stop the ball and drop it into a troth I have set below it.
Some parting thoughts:
1, Always use pure lead, and coat it with Liquid Alox. Lead is slippery in itself, and the Liquid Alox makes it even more slippery. It will keep from leading your barrel and help to make sure the bullet exits the barrel. If I am sizing balls, I lubricate with a spray of furniture polish. After pushing the ball through the sizing die, I tumble in Lee Liquid Alox and let dry overnight.
2, It is suggested that these loads be run through hand guns. The velocities are low enough that the ball could become lodged in a rifles barrel. When testing loads make sure the ball just fired has exited the barrel before touching off the next round.
3, be aware of what's behind your target. While the range is greatly reduced over standard loads, the lead ball can and will bounce around until it runs out of steam.
And I feel that a DISCLAMER is in order. Do not do this. There have been no loads like this published for many years. Only use modern data found in modern loading manuals published by reliable sources.
First, I will talk only in generalities. I will not give out any of the load data I am using. None of these loads are found in any of the modern loading manuals I have, or have seen. However, they can be found in older loading manuals. Today they are commonly called Cat Sneeze or Mouse Fart loads. The old vernacular was Gallery loads. They are round balls pushed at a low velocity by a small charge of fast burning pistol powder. Those of us who are old enough remember the shooting gallery's at the county fair will remember these loads. They are low velocity, 300 to 600 fps pure lead round ball loads intended for close range target shooting where noise is an issue.
I load them in 45 Auto Rim, 45 Colt, and 45/70. A .457 pure lead round ball weighs 144 grains. I load these as is in the 45/70 or run them through a .452 sizer to load in the 45 AR or 45 Colt.
A .451 round ball weighs 138 grains and can be loaded into the 45AR or 45 Colt as is. The .454 weighs 141 grains and can be loaded in either of the pistol rounds as is, or after running them through a .452 sizer.
I have not had good accuracy out of the 45/70 with the .457 RB unless loaded to the slowest velocity that will assure the ball does not get stuck in the barrel. I believe the bearing surface is so small as to strip the rifling easily. Same with using the .451 ball in the Colt or Auto Rim cartridge. I use Lee equipment almost exclusively. Their sizing equipment is push through, so it is only possible to reduce the diameter of the ball. I have recently purchased a Lyman sizing die, along with a .459 die and top punch. I hope to be able to bump the .457 ball to .459 with this setup. I expect good things. My favorite loads with the Colt and Auto Rim is to use the .454 ball as is. I get very good accuracy with it.
Recently I decided to develop a RB load for my 38 Special. My only experience with round balls in the 38 was a multiple ball load for social work, not something I could get interested in. I have loaded some 000 buckshot run through a .358 sizer. I have not gotten the accuracy I wanted. I intend to load some up without sizing to see what I can get. The sizer only reduces the size of the buckshot by .002, so I think letting them size down in the barrel might do well, kind of like the .454 balls in the 45 Colt.
What do I use these for?
1, Garden gun. Sometimes rat shot is just not enough. Plus, the Cat Sneeze load is much quieter.
2, Small game. They excell here. I liken then to a wrist rocket shooting marbles. Often I have collected a game animal and the ball has not even pierced the skin.
3, Backyard plinking. I have found that a bullet trap designed for 22 rimfires actually works well as a backstop. And while the ball will penetrate a cedar fence board, a soft target will stop them. I use a piece of old carpet hung behind my target. The carpet will give enough to stop the ball and drop it into a troth I have set below it.
Some parting thoughts:
1, Always use pure lead, and coat it with Liquid Alox. Lead is slippery in itself, and the Liquid Alox makes it even more slippery. It will keep from leading your barrel and help to make sure the bullet exits the barrel. If I am sizing balls, I lubricate with a spray of furniture polish. After pushing the ball through the sizing die, I tumble in Lee Liquid Alox and let dry overnight.
2, It is suggested that these loads be run through hand guns. The velocities are low enough that the ball could become lodged in a rifles barrel. When testing loads make sure the ball just fired has exited the barrel before touching off the next round.
3, be aware of what's behind your target. While the range is greatly reduced over standard loads, the lead ball can and will bounce around until it runs out of steam.
And I feel that a DISCLAMER is in order. Do not do this. There have been no loads like this published for many years. Only use modern data found in modern loading manuals published by reliable sources.
