Border invasion is not a national threat?

Discussion in 'Politics and Religion' started by buster40c, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. buster40c

    buster40c Well-Known Member

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    The politicians voted to halt Trump's National Emergency concerning the border saying it wasn't a major threat to our country. Darn near all the demorats and 12 republiscums voted against him. Trump vetoed their decision but that will not do much good for stopping the border invasion going on.
    In February alone there were 36,000 illegal border crossings. Imagine how many were not even known about that got through. 36,000 invading in one month is not considered a national crisis? This country is toast and the politicians are looking to stick a fork in it before long. The 2020 elections will probably be the final toasting for this country. Our vote or the Constitution will save this country? If 2018 election scams are any inkling then we can expect 2020 elections to be the last flush for this country.
    Ginsberg's birthday was the other day and not a peep or picture about her in the news. It is highly suspected she is no longer alive. It is suspected those in power don't want Trump getting another replacement on the SCOTUS so they are hiding that she is dead.

    Watch what is going on in Venezuela right now with the electrical grid being basically shut down and the country mostly having total power outages. The main power dam was sabotaged by insiders using virus coding to cause it to overload and shut down. Substations are being sabotaged and shut down at the same times. That just doesn't naturally happen without someone's fingering them all at once. Water piping for infrastructure somehow has crude oil being pumped through the piping. What an evil world we live in.
     
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  2. bigfuzzy

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    this is what our left wants for us.
     
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  3. quirky

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    The flush the whole world will hear. Within 90 days I suspect after the socialist commies take over the new President will issue an executive order to stop all ammo sales to civilians thereby halting gun sales.

    Had I gotten into the game much earlier in life I would have learn how to reload.
    The results of 2020 will effectively end the grand experiment of 'self-governance'.

    And it's anyone's guess where it will all lead to but I can feel confident in saying that it will become a madhouse and if you got it someone is going to want it and kill you to get it if they have to.
     
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  4. buster40c

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    The GOP is supposedly pushing the red flag gun confiscation. I seriously doubt it will pass but the way socialism seems to be running things I wouldn't bet against it happening. Could civil war be next?
    What it amounts to is what has been passed in several states already and even carried out. If someone reports to authorities that a person is possibly a threat to anyone and the person has guns then his guns can be confiscated in the guise of public or even personal safety. There has already been one man killed when they came after his guns. Supposedly a friend of his was pissed off at him and did it to screw with him. The person has to go to court and prove he is sane and is not a threat to himself or anyone else. So much for innocent till proven guilty.

    A very similar scenario happened to a man when his neighbor reported him for molesting his child. The law was looking at taking his daughter out of harms way. He wasn't and he absolutely would never do such a thing but that didn't matter. I believe it cost him like eight grand in legal fees to stop the ignorance.
    He asked about bringing charges against his accuser and his atty. said it would cost a bunch and even then perhaps nothing would be done to her in the end. His neighbor had a serious dislike of him so she made the accusations. She just might get a slap on her wrist for making a mistake in judgment, IE no proof, about what she said was happening.
    Now here is the same sort of crap being done to gun owners to take their guns. Sort of like saying your neighbor says you might go psycho so we have to stop you before you do. Talk about unconstitutional there you have it. Where are the cops when you need them is now where is the Constitution when you need it?

    I do believe we have to many bought out socialist politicians in DC.
     
  5. rugertoter

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    Well, honestly, look at the rough numbers. Our military consist of about 2.1 million active and reserve personnel. All police forces combined, in the U.S., amount to about 750,000. There are over 300 million people in the country, and about 80 million of them are registered (not counting the ones that own firearms with no record of such ownership) gun owners.

    The government can do all it wants to try to do, but in the end, mob would rule in a situation of revolt. They simply do not have the numbers to compete with the number of people who would be ticked off and would spoil for a fight.

    I worry more about things like the North American Power Grid going down, or a pandemic or something like that, than I do Communist, Socialist, Democrat/Republicans, or any other political party "bullcrap" agenda. JMHO
     
  6. greg_r

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    I condensed your post to a couple of what I believe are key points.

    First, is the term “registered gun owners’. Five states require some form of gun registration. One state and the District of Columbia require the registration of all firearms. Eight states forbid the registration of firearms and Federal law forbids a national gun registry. I do understand what you were saying, and you did not mean registered in the literal sense, but registration is a scary word. History has proven that resistration leads to confiscation.

    Second, political party agenda is exactly what we should fear as a free nation. It has been said that America would fall from within. I believe this and it will be politics that cause the fall. Just a generation or so ago the American people believed in working for what they had. Social welfare has long been known to foster a dependence on government control. Starting with the millennial generation I think, we have seen a feeling of entitlement taking hold. These people are generally democratic socialists. I do think the last election has seen the first of these type elected. I am thinking AOC here. More and more will be elected as the newer generations come of voting age. The recent push to allow 16 year olds to vote scares the bejabbers out of me. That will certainly speed up the influx by a few years.

     
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  7. MagBlackhawk

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    I know it's not practical, workable or fair but the voting age should be more like 24 years old.
    Not only that but a test to show some basic knowledge of well, ANYTHING should be required...
    God help us.
     
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  8. buster40c

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    Those wondering what a power grid down would be like check out what is happening in Venezuela right now. Their power has been up and down over the last week from suspected electrical viruses shutting down or over loading the systems plus area sub stations transformers are being blown up.
    Venezuela is in the cross hairs of a political take over and I am not going to say who is suspected behind it but it is pretty plain who is doing it. What is going on with the gris there is example of what could happen here if our grid went down. It would not be near as hard to accomplish as some might think which is being shown now in Venezuela.
    Russia just delivered many 300 missiles for Venezuela's possible retaliation. China is putting its finger in also.
    We live in serious times right now for sure.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-russia-must-leave-venezuela-1377100
     
  9. rugertoter

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    Not registered as in having a national registration system, but firearms that we have legally purchased through an FFL, and had the NICS check done on us.

    Secondly, we have no frapping political parties anymore. There was a time when one could describe what a Democrat or Republican was, for the most part anyways. They each had some kind of platform to follow, but not so much anymore. They collude terribly with each other, just to serve themselves...more than ever before. The Libertarian party has no real voting bloc whatsoever, so you can't really count on a third party to "break things up" a bit.
    As far as I can see, there is only government and the people, regardless of what political party suit they dress themselves up in, they are (most) about negating the Constitution and rewriting the history so they can make it up themselves, in whatever image they choose.

    Stalin and Hitler would have been proud of the Left in America. Politics ONLY serves itself.
     
  10. MagBlackhawk

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    Yes but it's against the law for them to keep national records of our gun purchases so no problem, they can't do that.
    Oh wait, come to think of it, they've been caught keeping hard copies of those records in the past.
    Well, considering there is no way they could hide records like that electronically, all is good.
    ... :rolleyes: ...
     
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    I’m sure there is abuse. Not naive enough to believe otherwise. But generally a handgun can be traced to the original purchaser, then it gets progressively harder.
     
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  12. buster40c

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    It seems TV cop shows know within minutes who the owner of a gun is, and where and when he bought it. Kinda makes me wonder if the cops can really do that now.
    Does anyone really think an NCIS call isn't recorded or maybe filed away for future use? I mean if an NCIS check can bring up whether a buyer is good to go doesn't that make you think there is a huge file on everyone? So you buying another gun isn't added into your file? Yeah right.
     
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  13. greg_r

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    Except they don’t know what you bought. They just ran a background check on you. The 4473 is filed at the LGS. If a firearm is found at a crime scene, the manufacturer is called, who can tell them what distributor it went to, who can tell them what gun shop it went to, who can tell them who it was sold to.
     
  14. rugertoter

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    Well, they know if it was a "long gun" or a "handgun".
     
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    Do they even say it’s a long gun or a hand gun when they call in for the check, or is it just listed on the 4473?

    I think it is just listed on the 4473.
     
  16. rugertoter

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    Welp, the main FFL guy that I go to seems to get asked that question from them. When he calls NICS, he answers all the questions, and one of them he either says "long gun" or "hand gun". That is where I got that from.
     
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    It is a shame that just because these folks do not like Trump personally, and yes it's personal as we can clearly see, they will let America be slowly destroyed by withholding bills that we desperately need passed!!! And we need a new wall because the old one is getting breached hundreds of times a day!!! We do have a National Emergency at our border and if we don't do something about it, it could help to destabilize our economy in one way or another! Too much too fast is never a good thing!!! Too many illegals committing crimes, kidnapping our children, and hiding or escaping back to Mexico and we have nothing to go on because we have no records of that person to look at!! Forget DNA sampling also. Remember, MAGA 2020!!! We cannot vote for another democrat for president after we've seen this childish behavior and look you has stepped forward so far LOL!!! also, GO AOC LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Example of the Dem's future!!:eek::D:eek::D:eek::eek::eek::eek::D
     
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    BTW, a new wave is coming of several thousands that just broke through the southern Mexico border and heading due north!!!
     
  19. buster40c

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    Just watch and see how many are wearing new clothes and shoes. Soros's money probably gets them to our borders. Once here our tax dollars take over. What's another trillion dollars in debt? Nope there isn't any illegal immigration problem resembling an invasion at our borders.
    Trump said send them to sanctuary cities and let them take care of providing them the good life. Funny the dumbocrats just aren't jumping up and down but rather they are saying Trump can't do that. Just can't please them dumborats.
     
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    You are absolutely right! They are paid pawns, and paid so much they are willing to die for their small fortunes! I'm going to watch Sanctuary cities become extinct real quick now!! Soros is a commie and will do anything to watch the US squirm. It will be his turn soon enough!
     

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