AR vs. AK

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by SavageGuy, Apr 2, 2016.

  1. SavageGuy

    SavageGuy Active Member

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    Alright, I need your help. I don't own an AK or an AR but see myself owning one soon.
    If you had to buy one of the two with a $750 maximum, what would you pick and why?And be specific with the make/model.
     
  2. VThillman

    VThillman Active Member

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    Sorry SG, I'm not keen on either of them. Too much stamped metal. If I were forced to choose one, it would probably be a Zastava AK with wood on it.
     

  3. spikedriver

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    I'd get a Del-ton AR. You can find them under $750 pretty easy and they're pretty good. If you look around lots of ARs can be had under 750. Now, if it's just for plinking or fun then the AK is good too, lots of cheap steel case ammo, but my AR does double duty for pest eradication, and I need the accuracy that the AK can't provide.
     
  4. gunslinger669

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    What's the purpose for it? Hunting? Defense? Targets? Just cuz? Both have a million aftermarket parts and accessories and upgrades. Both are shooter friendly. The AK is more dependable. The AR is GENERALLY more accurate. Ammo for either is readily available, pretty much anywhere in the US (worldwide, the AK wins). I personally find the AR easier to breakdown and reassemble, but I only own 2 AKs and rarely shoot them. I have 6 differently configured ARs and shoot them frequently. The AR platform is available across multiple calibers which breeds familiarity. The AK I believe is only regularly available in 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, .223/5.56 and 5.45x39. The AK would be my go to for inside 300 yard defensive work in ANY conditions, mud, rain, water sand, snow...you name it. The AR for more precision work out to 800 yards(depending on the caliber) - hunting, defensive, offensive, targets.

    With that said, I agree with VT for the AK in 7.62x39 - the Zastava (usually between $600-$650), for the 7.62x54r, I'd buy the Romak III (Draganov style sniper rifle) if you can find one ($700 - $850).

    My ARs are pretty customized, but they're all built on Lewis Machine and Tool and Land Warfare Resources Corp. base rifles. I've shot Palmetto State rifles and they seem ok, as do Bushmaster.

    So, what do you want it to do for you?
     
  5. SavageGuy

    SavageGuy Active Member

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    ^^not really sure what specific purpose it would be for. Mainly plinking and just to have.
     
  6. SHOOTER13

    SHOOTER13 RETIRED MODERATOR Lifetime Supporter

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    Gunslinger basically nailed it...

    AR for precision work out to 800-1000 yards...can be had in pistol calibers like 9mm and .40S&W...but why bother...and everything from .22lr to .50 Beowulf in rifle calibers.

    AK for close in work...all weather and terrain...just ask the Mujahideen who fought the 2nd best equipped military in the world to a standstill in Afghanistan...both armed with the same weapon...

    Hell, why pick...? Just get both:

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  7. blakesaville95

    blakesaville95 New Member

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    Id go with the ak, they are more dependable and they will slmost never jam. You can trow them in the mud and run them over with a truck and they will still be perfect
     
  8. buster40c

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    I was checking out some AK rifles on GB. The Vepr 7.62x54r 23" NIB $895 bin. Saiga 7.62x39 IZ-132 Russian AK47 $749. I think the least expensive was perhaps the Champion Arms.
    WOW! upwards of 600 -900 rounds a minute. Sorry I couldn't afford the ammo for it. Can someone actually pull a trigger that many times in a minute? I have decided to pass on either the AK or the AR as I figure it would mostly be another safe queen that I don't have any room for.
    http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15 Here is a very informative article.
    Is the M16 the army uses actually an AR 15 but can be fully auto? I talked to a couple ex GI and they said the M16 barrel will actually warp by shooting it full auto.
     
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  9. VThillman

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    :D ^^^ Buster, I'm pretty sure that 600-900 number is for full auto fire. I'm choosing to avoid the finger-speed controversy.

    Extensive full auto is hard on any rifle - maybe even the BAR. I have heard stories about the grease gun (M3?) getting a barrel shot out as a common occurrence.
     
  10. paulruger

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    I'd go with the AK! Cheaper ammo too!
     
  11. benhanak

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    ive found that most affordable 7.62 x 39 was steel jacketed and had corrosive primers. not too many ranges allow that kind of ammo. i was a moron and got an upper for my colt le6920 that was chambered for that round and was frustrated to find hunting ammo and range friendly ammo to be insanely expensive.
     
  12. greg_r

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    I am going to go against the grain here. Unless you specifically want to shoot the 7.62x39, I would go with the AR. If you specifically want the 7.62x39 I would go with the Ruger Mini 30. I do not like the x39 in an AR. They just are not designed for it, too many potential problems. I do however like the 7.62x39 round, and it's daddy, the 7.62x54R.

    The AK beats the AR only in reliability, and I say that only because the AK is basically designed as a phesants rifle, a rifle for the masses. They work and are easy to maintain, and work better when not taken care of, but they lose me at the accuracy level. It's not uncommon to find one that shoots 6moa or worse. There are more accurate ones, but they are not as common.

    Take care of an AR, it will be reliable. It will be accurate also.

    My favorite 7.62x39 rifle? The CZ527. (I think the same person who designer the SR22 might also be the one who designed the CZ527, they both have the safety on backwards! :eek:)
     
  13. VThillman

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    I have been informed by Vietnam vets who got to shoot the AK that it was less accurate than their AR - but in the jungle it didn't much matter.
     
  14. phideaux

    phideaux Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Spray and pray ...with an AK.






    Jim
     
  15. spikedriver

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    I recommend the AR, but...

    The AK may not be a varmint gun but it's "combat" accurate. I've probably had a dozen veterans tell me it's not hard to hit a man size silhouette at 200 meters, with the stock sights. But it's hard to hit something like a coyote that's small and elusive, and tends to be at least 200 meters away. But if OP is thinking protection/teowawki, the AK is probably better, if it's a good quality one. I've heard a lot of the cheap Century arms AKs are really poor. As for me I'll take the AR for the accuracy and the fact that I already own one.